Don’t You Hate Pushy Parents?

If you think having a kid with learning difficulties is a problem, try having a smart kid! Somehow, the parents of smart kids end up being labelled as pushy, taking the kids to activities, music lessons, asking teachers for additional material and giving the kids extra homework. Doesn't it make you wonder why?

Well, I have been asked many times by my clients and readers about what to do if school is not giving the kids what they need. Many parents express the fear of being considered pushy.

Every time I write an article about gifted children, I get a similar question.

"Ronit, what do I do? My son is 7, he already reads Harry Potter and he hates going to school because it is boring. Should I ask the teacher to give him extra activities? Should I buy him extra things to do at school or at home? Who is responsible for making sure he is not bored? If I go to school and talk to the teacher, she will say I'm pushy and take it out on him. What should I do?"

This is a good and very important question. As much as I would like to represent all the school systems or all the teachers in the world (someone said I should be the world teachers' speaker because I believe they are doing a holy job) I cannot.

High ability and boredom go hand in hand and many parents find it hard to believe that being smart is sometimes as hard as having learning difficulties. For regular teachers with 25-40 kids in one class, the smart kids are hard work, harder than the ones with difficulties because the system caters for difficulties much better. The question about the responsibility is a very important question and I would love to answer it with my own story.

My daughter Eden (19 years old now) studied at an international school in Singapore. I do not know if you are aware of this, but International schools are expensive, but they are worth every cent.

When Eden finished year 4, we left Singapore to travel the world (fun, fun, fun) for 3 months and then moved to Australia. It took us time to find a school for her and because of the different school calendar (the international year starts in September and the Australian year starts at the end of January) and because she was had both academic and emotional skills, she was accepted into grade 5, where she spent about 4 weeks before the year ended. I wanted the school to put Eden with her age group and provide the extra stimulation for her abilities, but the principal said the school was "not equipped for this".

Conclusion #1: Academic levels are different between schools and this

Conclusion #2: This can become an issue when your child changes schools

When Eden went to year 6, I had a talk to her new teacher and said, "I'm sure the curriculum is not the same in Singapore and Australia, so please to let me know if there are any gaps in Eden's knowledge so we can help her close them".

The teacher was very wonderfully nice and assured me she kept excellent communication with parents and she would let me know if she thought there were any gaps in Eden's knowledge.

For a whole year, I was at school every morning and every afternoon. I talked to the teacher from time to time and she kept telling me, "Your daughter is great. She is brilliant, she knows everything and she has no gaps".

Parents love hearing things like this. Do you not love it when someone says great things about your children? I remember myself walking around like a peacock for having this super daughter who skipped a year (albeit against my professional advice) and functions as if nothing happened, but I had an uncomfortable feeling. Not because I thought she was not smart, but because I found it hard to believe that skipping an entire year of schooling makes no different, no matter how smart the child is.

Conclusion #3: Parents love when teachers say good things about their kids

Conclusion #4: Flattery goes only so far with some parents, especially parents of smart kids, who are used to compliments

The other thing that got me worried was the fact Eden never, in a whole year, brought home any homework. I know, I know, homework is a pain for the parents, but I believe it is important to know what your kids are doing at school. When my 6 year-old finished grade 1, she brought all her notebooks home. Only then, I realised what she was doing all year. I had only seen her homework notebook once a week, which had a list of spelling words and not even once a math or writing worksheet. I cannot stand it! I have so many parents saying, "Why didn't they tell me at the beginning?"

Conclusion #5: Not all schools believe in homework

Conclusion #6: Parents who believe in homework are doomed to be worried and frustrated

Anyway, I went to Eden's teacher again and she said, "You worry too much. She gets assignments, but she always finishes them in class".

I am sure on the staff room they have added me to the list of pushy moms and exactly like she said her report card was all A's. I kept the peacock posture throughout the school break…

Conclusion #7: Parents that express their philosophy about homework are considered pushy

In high school, in grade 7, Eden went into the laptop program after tests and interviews (imagine me holding my hand close to my heart and saying "my wonderful girl"). Again, she was great, her end of term report card was all A's.

One day, I went over her notebook and saw a fraction assignment with about 30 problems. No working out, only answers. As a math teacher, I never ever allow an answer without showing how they were worked out. My philosophy is that the journey is more important than the destination ;)

"Where is the workout?" I asked Eden.

"We don't need to show our working out", she explained.

Conclusion #8: Not all math teachers share my philosophy

I looked carefully and found one mistake. I showed Eden her mistake and asked, "Eden, this is a mistake. Can you fix it?"

She looked at it and could not find the correct answer. She looked at it for more than 5 minutes and did nothing. I took a piece of paper and wrote the problem on it and asked Eden to solve it. She could not. She looked at me and said, "I don't know how to do it".

I looked at her notebook with all the other problems. They all had answers.

"How did you get to those answers?" I asked.

"I copied them from the end of the book".

"Why?" I asked, although I knew the answer. Kids never copy from the end unless they are afraid of something.

"I have never learned to do fractions like this".

Conclusion #9: If the teacher is nice, it is no guarantee for my kids' knowledge

Conclusion #10: If a parent has a feeling about something concerning their child - trust it (this is my #1 rule when working with parents)

Conclusion #11: Homework is a great way to find problems, if you want to find them

Conclusion #12: Report cards can me misleading (actually, the people who write them can be misled by the students)

Now you tell me, how does a kid get A's in grade 5, A's in grade 6 and A's in grade 7 in Math and knows nothing about fractions?

Or maybe I should ask

How would being considered "a wonderful girl" help her survive high school if she could not understand fractions?

Or maybe

Who is to blame? Would it help us to blame anyone anyway?

Or a better question yet

Who is responsible for your kids' education?

Yes, the education system is formally responsible, but can you take any chances?

I wouldn't!

So the only person left is YOU! The answer is YOU, the parent! Always YOU!

image I thanked circumstances for helping me realise that my daughter's education is my responsibility. I immediately got Math workbooks and fixed the whole thing in less than two hours. Do you know how many kids carry problems and fears all the way through high school only because they were sick when their class was learning something important? My daughter was not there when they were taught fractions and she was smart enough … to hide it. This is also harder with smart kids - it takes longer to find out when they do not know something. Most of the time, one session or two can fix something they carry from an early stage of learning. Learning is like a pyramid. If one block is missing while building it, building will eventually get stuck. Help them build a solid base, or they will have to rebuild it one day.

Because you are the only person who is there throughout your kid's 13 years of schooling (teachers, principals and friends change) you need to make sure the blocks are there. They do not have to be perfect blocks, but they have to be there. A kid getting B's or C's is better than a smart kid cheating the way to A's.

Your kid's learning at school is your responsibility. If you think that the teacher, as wonderful as they are (and I do believe most of them are) will cater for each kid's needs, you are dreaming. This wishful thinking can lead to "wishful sinking". The person who keeps your kid's best interest is only you!

When parents express their fears of being considered pushy, I ask them, "What do you think will hurt you more: your kid not knowing fractions or someone calling you pushy?"

Choose!

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  • http://highcognitive.squarespace.com SylvieMac

    What you said is sooo important. If there's a single message that needs to get out to all parents of gifted children it's that they need to take more responsibility for their education, and that they have the right to do so. Depending on indifferent or ignorant educators is a recipe for catastrophe.

  • tina

    I would like to comment as both a teacher and a student on this article. It is very true - gifted students are harder to cater to and, although I try to provide extension for my really smart kids, I know there are times when they are suffering from boredom while I am explaining something they have already understood to the rest of the class. Sometimes to alleviate this I will get these students to teach the other students, but this is risky too as it really depends on the nature of the student - in a class like my senior french classes this is possible because all the students are outgoing and like and accept each other but this is not possible in every class and there is a risk of drawing negative attention to students - so you have to be careful and its a constant challenge. However, from the other side, I was probably one of those gifted student when I was at school. I was always bored, bored, bored. The best thing that ever happened to me was to do the French Immersion program. This meant I had to learn all my content in a new language - this was a constant challenge so I was never bored. So perhaps a solution if you are unhappy with a school is to find a school that offers challenging enough programs - extension music/language/drama - there are many around so there is less liklihood your child will be bored as they will always be challenged. But something to think about is also this... Whilst I sympathise with the mathematics problem you faced with Eden and how much stress this would cause a parent knowing that their child is not being instructed in the basics - if you have a gifted child - it is always easily fixed. Because I was so bored I basically learnt nothing in primary school. By the tiime I reached high school I couldn't do fractions or percentages and had no real understanding of decimal places because I had done no work and no one had really picked up on it. I caught up in less than a semester and I duxed math in my senior year... so you might be worrying unnecessarily!

  • http://www.behappyinlife.com/ ronit

    Tina,

    I like it when you write here.
    I agree, worrying is not the right thing to do, smart kids, this is the true, this is a great thing with them, they can catch up in no time and Eden did.
    I think in parenting there is a lot of blaming, When things goes wrong and with smart kids things goes wrong too, it is easy to blame the teachers, the system, but parents need to remember that their children are their responsiblity and if they are not happy, they should take responsibility and do everything they can to fix it, why? because they can't take a chance.
    Not knowing fractions is not a big deal, The big deal was me expecting the school to take care of it.
    I agree with you, stimulating smart kids is the best thing to do, drama, language, music, sport or even extention academic subjects are a good to solve the bored, bored, bored kids (even grown ups)but it is essential to know who is responsible.
    Thannks for writing here, I love it when you write and thank you for giving everyone an insight into a teacher/ gifted kid mindset. ( I couldn't do the gifted kid minset first hand - I wasn't bored, bored, bored , I was probably in outer space...) I think it is wonderful to understand how a smart kid thinks, I hope it'll give the readers a great understanding.

    have a wonderful day
    hugs
    Ronit

  • http://www.behappyinlife.com/ ronit

    Hi Sylvia,

    Thank you for your comment. I am happy readers share the same philosophy. I am an educator myself and I painfuly agree with you that " Depending on indifferent or ignorant educators is a recipe for catastrophe"
    I have a hope to change it!
    Thank you for visiting my blog, come again.

    Happy day
    Ronit Baras
    http://ronitbaras.com

  • Alicia

    I am a pushy mom. pushy and proud.
    I have three girls and they do sport and music and art and they are very busy and happy.
    I sometimes tell them to stop taking so many extra activities but the want to.
    I don't care when people say I'm pushy.

  • Annette

    Ronit
    Thank you for writing this but I am a teacher and what you've described is not being pushy.
    Real pushy parents are parents who keep wanting their kids to be something they are not. What them to do more at school and have A even if they hate the subject. This is pushy and this is really not something we teachers like.
    I am happy with parents who take responsibility. I myself take the responsibility over my two son's education.

    Annette

  • http://www.behappyinlife.com/ ronit

    Annette,

    I see what you mean.
    I myself don't think it is pushy, this is why I wrote this post, to help parents realise that taking the responsibility is being pushy.
    Our kids are ours. we are with them for many year, while teachers, as wonderful as they can be ( and I knwo they can) are only one or two years with them. Only we can make sure their education is stable, strong and happy ( though I didn't talk about happiness in this post)
    I'm happy you came here and happy educators comment because I do think teachers have the power and the responsibility to educate the parents to take responsibility.
    Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience with us.

    Happy week and come again.
    Ronit

  • http://www.behappyinlife.com/ ronit

    Alicia,

    It is funny, the way you say it, pushy and proud.
    I had a client, she sounded just like you.
    She had 3 girls, the most beautiful, smartest girls on earth. I worked with them once a week on a project they did ( gifted girls) and everyone looking at her said she was a pushy mom. Those girls got up every morning at 5am to practice their music, each did about 6 or 7 afternoon activites. you probably ask, how can girls ( 6,7,8 years old) can have that many after school activities. Well, I asked myself the same question. some days she took them out of school early to bring them to my lessons. Some of the lessons they had late in the evening, some they had on the weekends. By the way, she was a single mom (she always said it is much easier).
    One day she comes to pick the girls up and one of them says her school opened a flamenco class and the girls are going to go to Spain for a tour at the end of the year and she wants to join.
    Her mom looked at her and said " not another one" but the girl was very commited in her explenation.
    "sorry, I don't think we have time for another thing, we need to relax sometimes"
    "but mom..." the girl started begging.
    In 10 minute the girl said she'll get up earlier ( than 5 am) and she'll do her homework early morning on Saturday and arranged a whole week around Flamenco.
    Money, in that family was not an issue, but time was and the many times when she came to pick them up they told her about all the new things they want to do. If they only had 67 hours a day....
    I have seen those girls for about 4 years. This thing happened every other week. Out of 100 attempts she agreed to 3-4 of them and with the condition they stop taking one of the other activities but still everyone talked about her about her as the "Queen of the Pushy moms"
    I think she was able to raise the most wonderful girls ever because she didn't care what others said about her.
    I think this is the formula.
    Good on you, you already have it!

    Thank you for coming to my site and come again.

    Just another pushy mom
    Ronit Baras

  • Susan

    Hi guys. Ronit your article was very interesting. I am currently doing some research on 'Gifted Children' for my Masters, and teaching gifted children I noticed some common characteristics among them which does make it harder for teachers to teach gifted children.

    Most gifted students do not like repeating or practising what they already know. However a child with this belief has placed educational limitations on themselves. They prevent themselves learning other perspectives and depth on content being taught.

    Another strong feature of an already labelled 'Gifted' child is their self perception of being a perfectionist. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but they will not seek help in front of other students in a classroom. As many times as I try to assist them they will deny it and will sit and wait for other students to ask their proposed question. How can they ask questions in class when everyone in class has the belief that the student/child is a genius? I am sure even if a child missed a few days or various days throughout the year. If they did not understand/missed concepts it would have been apparent in a mid-year/end-of-year test. You are right 'Gifted' children do hide it well.

    However, I don't think pushy parents help the student. Being pushy and going up to a teacher every day does not show a child how to work together as a team. It might make a pushy parent happy, because they feel like they are getting what they want, but socially inside the classroom the students with pushy parents are embarrassed and that is why they hide what they find difficult. The environment in the classroom changes as soon as a pushy parent interfers in classroom learning.

    Be assertive and not pushy. Working WITH the teacher/school to introduce strategies into the school or classroom would be best. Remember parents are role models to their child as well. Pushy doesn't always get what you want. Be sensible and think of alternatives. I don't mean pushy as in giving children what they would like in life, I am writing about pushy parents that insist they understand everything about education and try and tell people what needs to be done in a classroom from their point of view.

    This isn't directed at anybody, but I felt that pushy people reading the article might misinterpret a "Pushy" parent and think that by being overly pushy parent is a good parent. To be a good parent you need to be supportive and listen to your child and not be a narcissistic person.

  • http://www.ronitbaras.com/index.php/about/ Ronit Baras

    Hi Susan,

    It is amazing how many people confuse gifted children and know all almighty. Gifted kids get many messages of expectations that they must be perfect and in every topic. I remember my son's teacher expressing disappointment that he is not perfect or way above his class in every area of learning. The previous school he want to, gave a report of his academic level. This was very high, about 3 to 4 years above his expected age, still the teacher said he cannot be gifted because of his handwriting, which was normal to his age level.
    Those gifted kids gets those messages from their surrounding. you are so right Susan, they are not perfect in everything but they tend to develop perfectionism as a survival machanism - which is a big problem for them.

    I used the name pushy because parents of gifted kids are blamed for pushing their kids. I think it is an invention of parents of non- gifted kids to justify why their kids are not that gifted. "They must be like that because their parents are pushy". I hear that in my parenting workshops a lot.
    I find that parents for gifted kids need help to get involved. Most of them are so careful and so afraid to talk to the teachers when they have problems that what we are facing is discrimination against the gifted children.

    There will always be parents thinking they know best and nag the teachers till exhausting them . We must remember that after all, they are the clients and some of the clients are a pain, still, they are the clients and we can't take it on their kids.

    I know what you mean, that some parents who push their kids too much may take from this article some encouragement. I believe that people try to take encouragement from everything around them. I think we are built this way, to search for confirmation for what we believe so I think it will only be natural.
    Yet, I do hope that more of the parents who want to support their gifted children will take encouragement from this article as having the full right to help their kids.
    Most parents really want to raise happy kids and avoid their kids dumbing themselves down to fit everyone around.
    I believe the concept " pushy" is dangerous and judgmental. There is a fine line between being caring and pushing. There is a fine line between trusting the system and being not responsible and at the end of the day fear of being called "pushy" cannot be bigger than our responsibility for our kids.

    Listening to your kids and cooperating with the teachers is sure going to help any parent wanting to support their gifted child - but then again, this will support any parent, even if his child is not gifted.

    Happy day
    Ronit
    http://www.ronitbaras.com

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